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right now. the breaking news tonight in the mueller investigation, 12 russian intelligence officers charged with hacking the democrats and the clinton campaign. russians deeply infill straited our political system. from the white house zero criticism, no don dem naticonde what they did. and a wild day in london, the president apologized for undercutting her in a recorded interview. he now says is fake. this is why the president wasn't allowed in central london today. too many people protesting against him as the 11th hour gets underway tonight. >> good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters. day 5:40 of the trump administration. the president just two days away now from his summit and private
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time with putin. let's put it this way, if you wonder if you -- if you question is length thas went to or question what the special council has been up to all this time read the indictment that came out today. he charged 12 russian military officers with a sustained wide ranging attack on this country's democratic process. the indictment alleged they conspired to interfere by hacking the dnc, clinton presidential campaign committee. deputy attorney general explained how the alleged conspiracy unfolded. >> the defendants worked for two units of the main intelligence directorate. they created fix fishs personas including d.c. leaks and they
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used those per sonas. the conspirators corresponded with several americans through the internet. there's no allegation in this indictment that the americans knew they were corresponding with russian intelligence officers. >> further on that point rosenstein add no americans were charged in the indictment and said it does not allege that election results were altered. he also said the investigation continues. we learn today rosenstein briefed the president, told him this was coming before the president left on his overseas trip. tonight the president's plan monday meeting with putin remains on the schedule. here is the on election interference with london this
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morning. >> i will absolutely bring this up. there won't be a perry mason here. i call it the rigged witch hunt. i think it really hurts our relationship with russia. i think we would have a chance to have a very good relationship with russia and a very good relationship with president putin. >> yes. >> today's indictment from mueller has a number of stunning revelations. it says on or about june 8th, 2016 conspirators launched dcleaks.com. that is one day before the infamous on june 9. another notable revelation on or about july 27th, 2016 russian conspirators attempted to spear fish and e-mail accounts at a domain hosted by a third party
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provider and used by clinton's personal office. that day is important because this happened on that day. >> russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. i think you will probably be rewarded by our press. ? do you have any problem asking anybody to hack into the country? >> i would like to have them released. >> does it give you in pause? >> no. if they have them they have them. >> another part refers to when the dnc convention was getting underway. it says an unnamd organization mess anged the russian i saying if you have anything hillary related we want it in the next two days. the dime indictment says the intell wrote to a person with the trump campaign asking did
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you find anything interesting? that person is not named but widely believed to be roger stone. he was asked this -- about this indictment earlier tonight. >> i certainly knowledge that i was in touch with trump campaign officials and i have testified under oath to the house intelligence committee that i certainly had a 24 word exchange with the persona 2.0 over twitter. >> it is also you. >> i think i am probably the person referred to. the reason i'm not charged in this indictment is because i received nothing from the defendants. i passed nothing on from the defendants. no evidence of collusion or conspiracy or coordination. >> and the following is interesting for what it doesn't say. the white house responded with a statement that reads in part today's charges include no allegations of knowing
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involvement by anyone on the campaign and no allegations that the alleged hacking affected the election result. notably here, no criticism or condemnation of russia. with that let's bring in our lead off panel and the pentagon to house intelligence committee. an attorney and former staffer and matt for the new york times and matt, i would like to begin with you. you have been on this story from the very start. having said that, how significant was today in your view? >> i think it was really significant and here is why. i think flash back to january of 2017 when they put forward their report that really said for the first time we think russia did it. this essentially adds all of the
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details, the why, who, the when. you know, we have been dealing with over the past 18 months the president of the united states saying i believe the report. i believe putin when he says he didn't do the hacking. he says let me tell you, here are the names. here are the dates they started, positions they held, here are the physical addresses. here are the e-mail addresses. here is how they routed their communications. it is really really detailed information. i think it really spells out the government's case in full for why they are so confident that the russian government was behind these hacks. it bears repeating, these hacks are front and center key issues in the 2016 election. >> so what does the timing of today say to you? does it say that this prong of the mueller effort is over and
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will be moving on? does it say that this is a warning shot to donald trump? >> so i think that we are seeing here a very important brick in this wall. this is not the end. this is the beginning of the middle. this is not something that people are going to say okay. we have done this part and we are moving onto other things. the timing on this really changes the narrative for the president and this summit which everyone thinks is a terrible idea. what we have seen there this summit is something trump tried to do over and over again which is establish a secret channel, private channel to putin. we saw the pain, see them trying to have the conversation now in the summit where there are no other witnesses present. you wonder why he would do this if in fact he is not at all connected to the allegations in the indictment today. >> so jeremy, a two part question for you.
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how would a rational actor president respond to this? how scared would you be and part two, what did you learn from this document today you didn't learn before? >> well, i think any other president would walk into the summit on monday and actually serve this indictment on the russian president. after all it was the russian government's unintelligence officers that are named here. it is bringing the tally and five have been convicted. bob mueller is letting the facts speak for themselves and what facts did i learn? i think it's very relevant that the day before the trump tower meeting, and remember, that was set up as a russian government allegation that was supportive of donald trump's candidacy going to meet with campaign headquarters. there's no getting around that. the day before is the day the russian intelligence agency set
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up ways to weapon size the information they had stolen. and second on the very same day donald trump said please try to hack hillary clinton's personal servers, that night after hours for the first time the intelligence agency actually tried to engage in a spear fishing attack on hillary clinton's personal server. when katy tur asked he said they probably already have them indicating to the entire world he knew full well what had been briefed to his team and in fact the russian intelligence agencies had ingaugengaged in t hacking. >> there have been 991 separate charges in the mueller effort. we are coming off of yesterday's event. it was made apparent yesterday throughout the proceedings. this hearing yesterday happened
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in the middle of an ongoing criminal investigation. she just said it feels like the beginning of the middle. what does it feel like to you? >> well, it certainly feels like interesting timing that this document comes out now after the system of the fbi agent who lead this at the beginning. obviously he is on the hot seat. but what he was saying on the hill yesterday was we had every reason to investigate this. you know, the republican allies on capitol hill who want to say this is just kind of a liberal witch hunt, he is saying we were seeing really frightening stuff. we had every reason to investigate. now you take this document, this indictment and you can see all of the things that the fbi was seeing during the election.
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you overlay that and you overlay it was the trump tower meeting. you overlay it with intelligence people who tell them in advance russia has hillary clinton e-mails. we put it all together. it is pretty clear why the fbi decided it needed to invest gatd this stuff. >> if you were representing roger stone what would you advice to him be? it is a polite wait of asking how scared he should be right now. >> i think he should be thinking about cutting a deal with special council. he needs to stop talk to go the media. he may claim just being in contact was not enough. we only have some small collection of the kplun cases that he has had with them. we know that we were talking about stolen e-mails. we were talking about things through criminal activity so that he is trying to push it out
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there is a real question about his legal jeopardy. >> and about the mueller effort, what are your unanswered questions. you must view this at a time where we have gone a long time. this is further proof they are doing a very thorough job. >> they are. i think the biggest question hanging out there. is there direct evidence he knew about the trump tower meeting? there is circumstantial evidence. the question is there direct evidence and if so, does knowledge and kind of a thumbs up and i love it, does that institute sort of enough of an encouragement to utilize that information? donald trump referenced this information 164 times in the last month of the campaign.
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does that institute enough of a conspiracy? i don't think we should use the word collusion. i don't think there's any evidence that, you know, trump and putinwere talki were talkin this. it is about the effort to use it and weapon size it to help donald trump. >> we realize it's another unusual friday night. we realize some of you have come off of vacation. we grately appreciate it. as we approach our first break, ignoring demands in democrats. moving forward @summit with putin including private time with just the two men and their translaters. the president promises to bring up the hacking and ask putin if he did it. to end a week president trump keeps the queen waiting for tea. tens of thousands of her subjects protesting the visit.
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we'll be back with more right after this.
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as to whether or not i believe it or not i'm with our agencies. i believe that president putin really feels and feels strongly that he did not meddle in our election. what he believes is what he believes. >> president trump's assessment following his last meeting with putin, robert mueller comes at a
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critical time. white house says there's no plan to schedule that meeting. in the days before rosenstein's announcement today trump repeatedly try today discredit this investigation. >> i have nato. i have the u.k., which is in some what turmoil and i have putin. frankly putin may be the easiest of them all. >> he has been nice to me. i have been nice to him. she a competitor. some people saying is he an enemy? he is not my enemy. anything you do it is he loves russia. i love the united states but i love getting along with russia and china and other countries. >> let's talk about it. with us tonight nelson cunningham who was also a white house special adviser to president clinton and jash, senior white house reporterer, welcome. i would like to begin with you.
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is robert mueller the american who is most interested in what goes on at this meeting and finland with trump, putin and just the interpreters. and part two, can justice be obstructed inside that room at a summit? >> well, those are two great questions. we are seeing the work of two duty bound prosecutors. they see that their president is about to go for a historic summit meeting with putin. at the same time mueller knows he is sitting on clear evidence and he has and feels the need to tell that story. he tells the story in a way a prosecutor can tell a story. they can tell stories through indictments. they can tell stories through court filings, tell stories
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through trials. this was a 29 page indictment, extraordinarily long. it is what we call a speaking indictment that lays out in great detail all of these crimes. it is clear to me that mueller did that to get this story on the record. he would go to rosenstein before the president went in. the last thing you would want is for the president of the united states to go into a meeting with putin not knowing the evidence his government obtained about russian efforts to interfere with the election. zb what about what is said and not said in that meeting nelson? >> well, president trump has a habit of speaking to p putin without americans and without interpreters with him. we don't know what is really
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said in that room. if the fact is that russia could believe in some fashion shape or influence the investigation against him, i don't know that he wouldn't raise it with putin. >> do you know of another president in our country who would go through with such a meeting? let me take his example. wouldn't most go in and slap down this document on the table and say you need to answer for this? >> yeah. i mean i think that's certainly the case. it is also any conceivable scenario there wouldn't be live accusations that the president was mixed up in this sbir sefrt. that's what is causing the problem for him is to in some way admit that this went on is to admit there is om possible culpability on this part. it shows where he is very
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reluctant to knowledge this aukt chully happened. >> you know, we are still getting whips from the republicans in the house they might want to launch this impeach rosenstein movement. what if the president had said to him, why don't you hold off on this. thanks for the briefing. hold off on this indictment until i'm back. >> you know, that is a fascinating question. that goes right to the intersection of a president's ability to run the foreign policy of the united states. if this were a criminal case where the president was not involved, say it was a high level extradition of a foreign leader or a former foreign leader you could easily see a president saying please don't
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drop the news of that until i have the meeting because i don't want it to spoil that meeting. it would be an appropriate use of a president's discretion. it would not be a clear, a useful use of his description when he himself is involved. it is the president's own involvement that makes it to astonishing and so unique. he is sitting down with the very man who our intelligence community says ordered this in our election. remarkable. >> josh, i have to say in past occasions when it's been just the president and a fine identity number of return shuss the room it is through the russians that we have lernd some times unintentionally what happened in the room. is there a chance that is the case on monday whatever the white house tries to either lay out or not lay out after this meeting? >> yeah.
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we could get a far more candid assessment from the russians than we do from our own white house. it will be unverifiable. i'm not sure how we will be able to litigate these contested versions of the truth when they are presented side by side unless of course it turns out that the white house and russians are in complete alignment of what took place. it is also a possibility i wouldn't rule out under the circumstances. >> weighty topics to be sure. thanks to josh. really appreciate it. coming up malware, the most detailed allegation of how russians have been and likely still are electronically attacking this country when we continue.
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you don't know who broke into dnc. >> the indictment details how members of russia's military intelligence asi allegedly interfered in the 2016 election using a technique known as spear
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phising. it targets those afailuated with dccc and dnc. they alter the appearance in order to make it look like the e-mail was a security notification from google, a technique known as spoofing instructing the user to change his or this her password. at an event an hour after this indictment was announced the director of national intelligence dan coats warned of the russian risk. >> focusing on the potential impact of these actions on our midterm elections misses the more important point. these actions are persistent. they are pervasive and they are meant to undermine america's democracy on a daily basis.
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>> are you periodically reassured when you see the depths they have gone to that they are headed towards true north? >> absolutely right about that. let me tell you, if someone hasn't read this indictment go read this indictment. this is what a real classified top secret document looks like when it's in the hands of the justice department. it has been declassified and presented to the public. it is a highly detailed
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intelligence product that plays no games about who the individuals are and how they did these attacks on the united states. >> can you see this president being that tough with putin? he said any other president would be expected to walk in and slam this document down and say answer for this. >> no. i don't expect this president to do anything of the like because, you know, as you know, he seems to be beholding in some way shape or form. how that is is really left up to the special council. we'll determine that. any other president is absolutely right. i liked that idea. he would have served the russian president with these indictments, would have demanded the 12 russian intelligence officers or better yet would have cancelled his conference and would have ratcheted up the tensions to the appropriate level. the united states was attacked. the united states remains under attack.
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we have a president who is ready give russia whatever they want and he doesn't believe what he sees before his own eyes. >> are you surprised that we engage in a procedure of naming and shaming in this document? is there any pay back for that because we name a lot of russians. >> no. this is the bad point about this. there is going to be no consequences for these russian intelligence officers. the last group of russians we brought here, the illegals who were spies living in the united states, they were promoted. they were heros in russia. she is putin's favorite spy. i think they will be reassigned within the cyber security world. for us, they can't travel any where else in the world. they have warrants now out there that will be put out for their arrest. but what this shows is we have the ability to reach down and touch the individuals within
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russian military intelligence and actually point out who we know did these acts. that shows a brilliance in u.s. counter cyber intelligence activities in human intelligence the way we gather this information. >> very impressive piece of work in this today. we'll end on that. thank you. have a good weekend. appreciate you being on that tonight. coming up it is mueller's most significant move next. what to expect next into this investigation into russian meddling. we'll ask twoo t of our experts when we come back.
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deputy attorney general rob rosenstein warning about speculating about ongoing investigations. still, today's indictment may tell us a lot about the overall status and progress of this investigation thus far and we are free to talk about that here tonight. we will do that with former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. also with us tonight foreman federal prosecutor worked under robert mueller in d.c. when mueller was chief of homicide. welcome to you both. i have to ask, what does today's document tell you about where we are in this thing and where mueller is and where he is
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going? >> well, i think this was mueller's way of rounding out the frame work for this whole russian collusion election conspiracy that we have been talking about. the first russian indictment was about the social media influence. everyone has been sort of expecting this part to come about the hacking. i think what it does is it tells us in such great detail, you know, and shows the meticulousness and the detail of mueller's work and what -- so now we have the frame work and what's left to come is were there u.s. citizens involved in helping this? i think this indictment screams out that there are and that more indictments are coming and i do believe -- it's dangerous but i really do believe, you know, if you read between the lines here what we are going to be looking at next is indictments of u.s. citizens. >> glenn, do you buy that
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general flow first the russians that it is a bit of a turning point and a bit of a portion of this case that is now on the record and stamped away and we move on? >> i do. i agree with mimi. when we as federal prosecutors investigate the really large cases, for example, rico cases, racketeer influence and corrupt organization cases. sit entirely usual that there are multipreponderance indictments returned over time. often they will batch together defendants who have something in common or off fence that enses t of a common scheme or plan. this is mueller and his team following a textbook investigation and i agree that
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this virtually screams that indictments of anybody who in america who are americans and participated in this scheme with russia to undermine our election. >> so mimi, one thing you and i talk about a lot on this is the chance and timing of this potential mueller-trump sit down. did anything change today? >> yes. now we know a very important fact. everyone always had taken notice of trump's speech back during the campaign where he said russia, if you're listening everyone would appreciate if you released hillary clinton's e-mails. we now know a very important fact that was really highlighted in the indictment which is on that day is when the russians really began to go after hillary clinton campaign e-mails. is that just a coincidence or
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did trump know something when he made that call to the russians? that fact right there really standing alone, if you put aside everything else could be difference between trump being part of the conspiracy or not. i think mueller has every right to ask trump about that. the fact that trump will not sit down and talk about that i think speaks volumes about his concern and likely his guilt. >> how nervous should roger stone be tonight and let me ask you to further predict when you think the next is we will hear from mueller, what portion of it will be? >> i suspect he will be quite nervous. when he ends up in a court of law roger stone will certainly have a fifth amendment right against self-incrimination. boy when we read this document that was handed down today in the court of public opinion
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roger stone sure looks like he has some explaining to do. i do think that he is very likely going to be rolled into the next indictment that mueller hands down. with respect to the timing, the one thing that i will say confidently without claiming to be able to look into the mind of mueller or his team is that bob mueller will be interested in not impacting the midterm elections by timing the release of either a report to congress or an additional indictment to close to the midterm elections. we have seen the kind of problems that were created when former director comey made the ill advised announcement so close in time to the presidential elections. so the only thing i think we can be confident of is that mueller
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will avoid that same mistake. >> our thanks to our two guests. one of whom took time from her vacation to join us. thank you both very much. have a good weekend. thanks for being with us late on a friday night. coming up for us, protests a royal tea and rare trump apology. it was a very busy day in london before the indictments were thrown into the story line when the 11th hour continues.
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welcome back. it is easy toy see how they would not allow to stay or spend time in central london. some of the costumes look like this the day after a
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inauguration. the crowds appear to have reach add quarter million people at their height. tonight on fox news sean called the protesters angry liberal socialists, free loaders. after insulting american allies at the nato meeting trump insulted the british prime minister. when the story came out he apologized to the prime minister but then denied the newspaper interview he gave. he called it fake news even though we can hear the audio recording of what he said in that interview. aside from insauults and appearances it already happened in brussels. nbc news reported after the president's departure u.s. military leaders embarked on a full scale damage control with calls to their counter parts to reassure them america will abide by defense commitments in the
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region. tec even the president's date with tea was not by controversy. he was late by about 15 minutes. video recorded the very queen checking her watch. >> hard to know. what do you think was the most damaging. the damage to the allies were undercutting his british hosts, the prime minister kind of embedding an interview they knew would come out during their meal where he backs her opponent and does enough damage to apologize today. >> i think you're asking me to choose between vulgarity and
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obscenity. >> did you ever think you would live to see a scene where a president seems deliberately went out of his way to insult the queen and the queen at the age of 92? i never thought i would love to see that and it's just appalling. >> i have to ask you about this summit coming up monday. do you just toss all previous rules and play books out the
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window? is it a mismatch and were you surprised today that the white house statement contained not a word of criticism for what so many military professionals said all day was proof? we are under ongoing electronic attack. >> i don't get it. for someone as self-interested and politically interested in helping his position as donald trump, you know, the position would be something that he didn't deserve as being so close to putin. what is it that is with this outrageous attack on democracy? is this money? is he afraid of some danger to his life? i mean god knows there is something that is primal going on here. you combine it with the talk about the summit on monday with this talk of a first meeting which is just trump and
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putin and maybe even one interpreter. it is between american or soviet russian leaders. >> i have to ask you about something darker. it is something we have seen here. buried in the interview the president talked about immigration in europe killing their culture. this is a page out of white nationalism. it is an argument we have heard on and off for decades. the timing of it is like a prairie fire in europe right now. >> it is exactly right. if you and i let's say two or three years ago were talking about even before donald trump was a factor, what is putin's wish list? break off our cherished relationships, damage them with canada and great britain.
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try to damage nato. generate problems in europe in germany, generate this kind of distance between us and the liberals, classical liberals. it's all happening. donald trump never explained why it is happening. every other president when it's a departure from what other presidents have done they feel they should give more than one speech, the american people saying you may not understand why i'm doing this but let me take a while to explain why it is happening. we have no idea why this is happening. >> michael, it is always a pleasure. some terrifying stuff these days but some day we'll go back to talking about u.s. history. how is that? >> i look forit a lot. >> thank you. have a good weekend. coming up for us, believe it or not this is a week that started with a supreme court
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last thing before we go here tonight, a reminder of the week that was. think way back just four nights ago and what seems like a much simpler time. we devoted the bulk of this broadcast to brett kavanaugh.
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much of the debate around kavanaugh centers around freedom of choice. l.a. times was the first to report details of a speech in which he chief justice for having decented in roe versus wade. ton financial front it was also revealed this week kavanaugh went into huge credit card debt due in large part to washington nationals baseball tickets. a rest lease of the internal fema report that found the ageneral suz but not ready to respond to last year's hurricane season. it hit those in puerto rico the hardest. there also remains the crisis on the southern border, a crisis of the administration's own making and the migrant families that
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still remain separated tonight. the latest numbers as we have them as reported by the new york times. administration officials told reporters that the government reunited 57 of the 103 migrant children under the age of five. the other 46 were deemed ineligible for a variety of reasons. some of their parents had been accused of crimes. one had a commune cable disease. in one case they had been departed already without their children making it more challenging. just some of what took place in the space of this past week. and that is our broadcast on a friday night and for week. thank you so very much for being here with us. good night from nbc news headquarters here in new york.
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>> russia, if you are listening, i hope you are able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. >> charges for the russian operatives who answered trump's call. >> 12 russia military officers by name for conspiring to interfere with the 2016 election. >> as the president prepares to meet with putin behind closed doors. >> i will bring it up. >> new worries about collusion between trump and russia. >> i don't think you will have any gee i did it. i did it. you got me.

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